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You Know That You're An Old Engineer

Clipped to the Drawing Board by John Chadwick  
Reminiscing about "the good old days" brings out a few memories-
What else can we  remember ?

You Know That You're An Old Engineer -

  • When you can remember working from the original blue print drawings

  • When you can remember the smell of ammonia on the "new" system of printing drawings

  • When you can remember the dedicated print room which produced the drawings, (in strict order) the people who worked there and their names

  • When you can remember that you still have your original slide rule

  • When you still use your slide rule because you're more confident with it (you are still not sure about these hand held calculators - what happens if the battery dies!)

  • When you can remember using log tables for calculations

  • When you can remember how to use log tables and lay out the calculations in neat rows and columns

  • When you can remember your favorite books of tables with fraction to decimal conversions charts

  • When you still use those same conversion charts

  • When you have committed them to memory, but still use the chart as a check

  • When you can remember the first Engineering Office calculator being a valve set and needing a 10 minute warm up before it could be used

  • When you can remember that the (above) calculator could - add,  subtract,  multiply and divide and if you were very clever you could find a square root by multiple approximations

  • When you can remember charts with square and cube roots and all types of other useful data being readily available

  • When you can remember working in an Engineering office where ”everyone” smoked and the air was so thick with smoke that you could not see from one side of the office to the other

  • When you can remember that there where always pipe smokers in the office and you can still smell the aromas of the pipe and cigarette smoke

  • When you can remember using tools and implements which were marked with the last 2 digits of the year of manufacture and the whole year started with 18 eg 96 was 1896

  • When you can remember watching that rusty old piece of machinery being carted off to the scrap yard and remembering when it was new and just being installed

  • When you can remember using drawing boards with machines using the parallelogram counterweight systems that where never square

  • When you can remember Project Managing jobs without JSA's, Hazard Studies Work Method Statements or the like

  • When you can remember being able to climb a ladder without a "Work At Heights Permit"

  • When you can remember the crane dog man putting his foot in the hook and getting hoisted up by the crane and it was a perfectly acceptable practice

  • When you can remember an Erasing Shield not being a Star Wars Protective Device to Erase Missiles fired by the enemy

  • When you can remember - when that concrete slab (or similar) would be physically broken up, loaded and carted away by a team of workers in about a 5 day time span. Today the whole job takes 1 man with an excavator and truck about half a day

  • When you can remember rivets being the standard method of joining metal

  • When you can then remember stick welding being the “new way” to join metal

  • When you can remember your car having a starting handle and you can remember needing to use it

  • When you can remember your new car had a side valve engine

  • When you can remember de coking your 2 stroke motor cycle

  • When you can remember that the Drawing Numbering system has changed many times over the years and you are the only one left at the company who knows each system - intimately

  • When you can remember seeing a cad system for the very first time and thinking - "this will never catch on"

  • When you can remember marvelling at the very first fax machine you ever saw  and now the young guys tell you that the fax is dead – nobody uses that old technology these days

  • When you can remember seeing your first mobile phone. It was the size of a large toolbox and weighed as much. Plus it had a very limited battery life and range

  • When you can remember taking grainy Polaroid pictures which could barely be understood and boasting of the technology. Whilst paying exorbitant prices for the film

  • When you can remember the teletext machines being "state of the art" for instant communication & you were under strict instruction to use the minimum words in your messages

  • When you can remember a hacksaw being the common method used to cut steel (and not an angle grinder) - and as a junior Engineer you practiced and practiced (until your arm felt as though it would drop off ) attempting to get that straight cut. Without breaking the blade

  • When you can remember using a cold chisel to cut a chamfer on steel and the pain of a misdirected hammer blow, - How many bruises and broken bones did this task produce ?

  • When you can remember (as a young Engineer) being sent for a long wait

  • When you can remember (as a young Engineer) being sent to get a glass hammer

  • When you can remember watching a skilled tradesman bed a bearing with a scraper

  • When you can remember that your clutch pencil was your most prized possession – together with a full range of leads and colours

  • When you can remember using a hole template because there were lots of jokes about holes

  • When you can remember using a sanding board to produce chisel points which were "works of art" As was the Calligraphy you produced on each drawing !!!

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Duncan762 (94) Senior board member | 2007-09-05 21:22:48
Hahaha
tracksionmotor (147) - FRA Railroad Inspector/Senior Junior board member | 2007-09-30 14:16:57
What is a 'glass hammer'? A term never heard by me 'on the other side of the pond.'
ryan (63) Administrator | 2007-09-30 18:37:47
A glass hammer is quite good for allowing you to see your target as you're hitting it. Only problem is you have to be really delicate when using it
Duncan762 (94) Senior board member | 2007-09-05 21:24:00
"When you can remember (as a young Engineer) being sent to get a glass hammer"

Also a left handed screwdriver!
tracksionmotor (147) - FRA Railroad Inspector/Senior Junior board member | 2007-09-30 14:41:00
A left handed screwdriver is a specialised automotive tool to repair a motor vehicle specifically driven on the left side of the road.

I take a test for 'Railroad Signal Maintainer.' It was oral/practical elimiminating the written portions that discriminated against those who ENGLISH was a secondary language. There are three examiners and a witness/recorder present. Examiner displays a 'Cresent Wrench' and asks me what it is. I don't understand and ask for repeat, answering: 'This is an adjustable wrench designed for tightening and loosing square and hex head fittings like nuts and bolts.' One examiner apologises to be pointing out applicants make a motion of wrench use as an answer.

Did you know an adjustable wrench (spanner) is to be used only in one direction? Torsion is to be placed against wrench body and not movable anvil.

A 'glass hammer' is used to follow up the scoring of plate glass to make a break in thickness' of 3/8" OR LESS.
Kiwi Dave (115) - You Know That You are an Old E Newbie | 2007-09-06 06:19:36
It was 1957 when I entered the Shipyard as a young Engineer. Fresh from school, enthusiastic and full of dreams. I would have been at Rolls Royce, but in those days, the apprentice paid the company for the privilege of being taught and that sum of money was way beyond my fathers means. So there I was - In the shipyard - and a few memories immediately come to mind ---
- I can remember that the Workshop foremen wore a bowler hat, and 3 piece suit to work , complete with fob watch - such was his esteem and authority in the workplace
- I can remember fitters and machinists wearing starched collars and ties to work and their labourers cleaning and preparing the jobs for them to work on
- I can remember being taught the art of drawing with ink on linen
- I can remember spending hours practicing hand printing skills on a drawing board and myprinting is still pretty good
- I can remember the Chief Draughtsman would come around and measure the thickness of our lines using a feeler gauge. Such was the attention to detail. At the time, I hated him with a vengeance because if it was the wrong thickness - it was erase and start again.
- I can remember an enormous machine shop with every machine being driven by belts from a central shaft arrangement. Quite an imposing sight
- I can remember that as indentured apprentices, we could never addressed our journeyman by first name – it was always Mr. Or it was the wroth of his tongue followed by a swift clip across the back of the head

Try telling that to the young Engineers today and they would never believe you !!!
Happy days indeed - and very character forming - Cheers Kiwi Dave
tracksionmotor (147) - FRA Railroad Inspector/Senior Junior board member | 2007-09-30 15:30:59
Indentured Apprentices? Wroth of tongue? Belt driven machinery? Days when practical skills meant something.
ryan (63) Administrator | 2007-09-10 06:43:00
hehe

When you can remember when a Steam Roller was actually driven by
steam

When you can remember British motor cycles dominating on the roads
Duncan762 (94) Senior board member | 2007-09-10 17:31:39
Thankyou Mr.Dave
Kiwi Dave (115) Newbie | 2007-09-17 06:15:33
If you carry a full tool kit in your car - always - even though you've never looked under the bonnet of the car you currently drive

If you can carry a swiss army knife type tool kit with you - always- just in case

When you can remember when almost everyone rode bicycles to work and the bike racks far outnumbered car parking spaces

When you can remember tuning your carburettor(s) on your car

You still have your first (and only) set of drawing instruments and they are in pristine condition

You still use these drawing instruments

You can remember when there was more product on the floor than in the machine and the company was happy to throw labour at cleaning up the mess, but not Engineering resource to design out the problems
You can remember reading about some guy called Demming who had some radical ideas on quality and production techniques and you knew that they would never take off

You can remember when your best Engineering Designs were formulated on the back of a drink coaster/cigarette packet/napkin in the bar after work

You can remember when all trains where big and shiny, gave off lots of smoke and were driven by steam

You can remember the old style earth moving excavators which had jibs and buckets activated by wire rope. (I know that because I worked on them)

You can remember when SNAFU was the favorite saying

You can remember when there were manual typewriters and you had to manually hit the return at the end of a line

You can vividly remember your love affair with "Beam Analysis by Moment Integration"

You can remember the room of clerks with fingers tapping away on the "adding machines with handles" -

`When you can remember your first encounter with the Union rep. You were keen, eager and enthusiastic on your first project. The Union rep was the sour faced old guy who had been around forever and seen it all - including plenty of young engineers, just like you and he saw it as his job to "put you in your place" - so that you knew who really ran the job. It was a test of wills, which got the heart pumping. But when you stood your ground - you knew that you had passed your first real test.

it brings tears to my eyes - or is that because I am trying to fit into these trousers which I wore when I was a young Engineer - Cheers - Kiwi Dave
tracksionmotor (147) - FRA Railroad Inspector/Senior Junior board member | 2007-09-30 14:12:44
SNAFU? In Defense Plant work we had FUBAR! Try writing up FUBAR on an inspection report...it's not Arabic.
ryan (63) Administrator | 2007-09-17 06:25:46
When you can remember asbestos being widely used in all sorts of engineering applications

When you can not remember any hazardous stuff (at all) being used in the workplace !!!!
tracksionmotor (147) - FRA Railroad Inspector/Senior Junior board member | 2007-09-30 14:06:34
No doubt! Asbestos is a good fire/heat insulating materiel that saved many lives.

I work for Bombardier and everything I've worked with is hazardous. I asked for a Z95 dust mask with an exhale valve and was denied because it is a RESPIRATOR requiring a medical exam and training. Stuff like solvents and paint removers forbidden on the floor....are readily available in the supermarket and Home Depot. We get hit with steel grinding dust containing burned paint and aliphatic solvents from quick dry paints.....'We checked these emmisions out and you're safe within exposure levels.' Dummies wear nuisance dust masks....better weared upon the head with a plastic bag covering your face. One thing I do agree with my Safety Officer is that hazardous noxious chemicals are covered over with a pleasent orange smell.
tracksionmotor (147) - FRA Railroad Inspector/Senior Junior board member | 2007-09-30 15:07:09
TRUE. I lost part of my life exposed to high levels of electromagnetic radiation as Junior HF engineer. No sense of what I was exposed to.
tracksionmotor (147) - FRA Railroad In.spector/Senior Junior board member | 2007-09-30 13:47:43
WHEW...what a list! I notice ENGLISH in posts. We don't have apprentice prgrammes (ENGLISH) in the 'states' like you have.

You're am old engineer when you had to change the ribbon in the Teletype Machine.

You're an old engineer when you had to fill the XEROX machine with silicon fuser oil and toner dust.

You're an old engineer when you has to wrap a document upon a steel drum and secure it with two metal springs in order to transmit a faxcimile.

You're an old engineer when you hooked up a two-way radio in a fire engine on the wrong side of a mechanical voltage regulator and the receiver turns off and on as battery demand charging from DC generator.

You're an old engineer when the new General Motors car you just got has hardware in metric and the only tools you have to fixit are ENGLISH inches.

You're an old engineer what the railroad trainset you are working upon with inch tools comes up with a warning label 'ISO-metric fasteners' and you think isometric excercising.

You're an old engineer when you think a DOLLAR is worth a dollar and $1.40 buys a EURO when you used to buy a package of 'Hostess Cup Cakes' for twelve cents.

You're an old engineer when you buy hardware from the local farm supply store and a label says, 'Contents manufactured in USA/China/Taiwan/Singapore/India/Bangladesh/etc.' and you bust a bolt applying proper torque.

List is GOOD!
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